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A Note on Daily Deviation Features

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 4:50 AM
At ten features into my tenure as Community Volunteer for Abstract & Surreal Photography I am noticing a certain trend in response to abstract and surreal Daily Deviations. I shall address some of the recurring themes here, and hopefully answer some questions along the way. At this point I would like to mention that I am talking about a small and vocal minority, and I sincerely thank the overwhelming majority for supporting the featured artists and their work. You're what makes this site such a great community.

With that said, let's get to the troublesome themes I am coming across.



The "This is crap!" Argument


As an observer and a critic, you're entitled to think that something isn't very good. However, exclaiming as such on the comments of a piece of work that an artist has spent time and energy creating is not only counter-productive, but rude and insulting, especially if it's not followed up with some advice about how you think they could make their work better. Let's try some role reversal: if someone came along and rubbished your hard work, how would it make you feel?



The "I could do this myself!" Argument


As an artist, I find this comment perplexing. If you can create similar art yourself, go for it! If you're using it as a disparaging remark, surely you're doing little more than rubbishing your own abilities as an artist! While less directly hateful than the first argument, it is still nowhere near a constructive statement and it is disrespectful to leave such comments on the works of others.



The "I don't get it, it shouldn't be a DD" Argument


DeviantART is a huge website that caters for an even larger audience, who all have different interests and areas of expertise. Suggesting that something shouldn't be featured as a Daily Deviation because you personally don't understand the image is a curious statement to make. Unless you've a particular interest in abstract and surreal art, it is likely that you won't get it. That's okay! However, using it as a basis to voice your disapproval is a weak argument.



The "I don't understand why this stuff keeps getting featured" Argument


All categories of art that are represented by a Community Volunteer are also represented on the Daily Deviations page. As the CV for abstract and surreal photography, it is both an honour and pleasure to feature abstract and surreal work. If you don't have an interest in abstract and surreal work, that's fine; that's why all represented categories receive DD features. If you feel strongly enough about this that you think that abstract and surreal photography shouldn't have a Community Volunteer at all, then you're welcome to take that up with Moonbeam13.



The "Why don't you deal with issues on features yourself!" Argument


We CVs are a tight-knit team, and we help each other out in this sort of situation. We're all in different time zones and have different amounts of free time, so it's inevitable that other CVs are going to step in to try to diffuse a situation that may arise. At that point it would be fruitless for me to get involved too; it would belittle the efforts of my fellow CVs, and could come across as overkill from the perspective of the community. We are here for you, not against you.



A Closing Statement


"A Daily Deviation is intended to give an artist a chance to be seen by a large portion of the community and as not everyone has the same tastes, it is obvious that you may not appreciate every piece that is selected as a daily deviation.

If you have a problem with a particular Daily Deviation feature, do NOT leave your disapproval among the other comments on the piece. It is disrespectful to the artist featured, the person who chose it and/or the person that suggested it.

If you absolutely must voice your disapproval of a selected feature, feel free to note Moonbeam13 however, unless the image violates policy in some way, it is highly unlikely it will be removed."


These words are taken straight from FAQ #873: What do I do when I disapprove of a Daily Deviation feature?

In closing, I would like to point out that Daily Deviations are not magical fame-passes to those who receive them. In my genre of abstract and surreal especially, they are daily art features that appeal, usually, to an abstract/surreal audience. With this in mind, your focus should be on the work, not on the fact that it is a Daily Deviation; all thoughts regarding that are irrelevant to the piece itself, and should be brought up with us staff members. Anything else is a poor show of basic decency. If you feel that strongly against a feature, I have but one final thought: send in your own DD suggestions. It's easy to be an armchair critic.

Thank-you for your time.

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thetaoofchaos Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013   Writer
If Dali himself was alive and received a DD on one of his best pieces, there would still be whines and complaints. Keep up the good work and don't let it get you down. :thumbsup:
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arctoa Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Student Photographer
:lol:

Yes indeed. I'm sure Rothko would get slated, too. Such is the way it goes!

Thank-you for your support, it's appreciated. The furore has died down in recent weeks, but I don't doubt that there'll be more sticky days in future as the mob mentality temporarily takes over.
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MaddLouise Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
It's sad that this needed to be said.. but I'm glad it's said :)
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arctoa Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2012  Student Photographer
Yes; unfortunately I get the impression that each and every time I post a non-figurative abstraction as a Daily Deviation I am going to kick up the same sort of fuss as what prompted this journal in the first place. Such is life here on dA!
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Sarah-BK Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Well written - liked how you put it all together :)

I'm one of those who unfortunately doesn't appreciate most abstract pieces (everyone has their own tastes of course!), but unlike many, I respect that fact (just like many don't like the categories I like after all) and keep it to myself.

So many hurtful, heartless people out there who seem okay with bashing others for what they like and do :/ People will always find something to criticize then again - if it's something everyone likes they will say that it's boring having the same things always featured...

I wish you luck as a CV - hopefully there will be less b*tching :)
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arctoa Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012  Student Photographer
Heh; yes, it is something of an impossible situation to avoid any sort of conflict on a daily basis. I think some people forget that they're not on the internet alone; that there are people - probably quite nice people - on the other end of their tirades. I'm sure we all do it from time to time.

Thank-you for your support. :]
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Sarah-BK Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
That's quite right! It happens so often that communication over the internet is very unlike what that same communication would be like in real life.. I'm sure if you met up with anyone who's bashed you here, few people would still say the same thing to you.

You're most welcome :)
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sarah-marley Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
oh goodness, everyone. take a chill, make some art and move on.
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arctoa Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student Photographer
Actually I am happy to report that much of the discussion here has been positive and reasoned! It's just one or two of the recent additions since the journal hit the front page that went off the deep end a bit, heh.

That said, your advice is flawless. ;]
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jussta Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Oh I remember writing few journals like that...

When giving you the CV priviledges no one has told you about the dark sides, huh? :lol:
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arctoa Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student Photographer
Ahah; I'm taking it as some sort of hazing exercise. ;]
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jussta Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Good thing there's always the team that will support you all the way :)
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arctoa Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student Photographer
Yes indeed!
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Hector42 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
While I can understand some thinks of the "bad cricicism" side like "I could do this myself" *sometimes* I also feel that stating this would be an isult I myself would not like to get.

As for the intend of DDs mentioned in the FAQ paragraph I have a counter argument: why is it then that some people have several DDs makine up up to 10 % of their uploads while others have a lot of uploads and no DD at all. Same goes for the time-dimension.
If it's a chance that is given to be seen, then everyone should get 1 DD *before anyone* gets their second DD .

Just saying. My general opinion about those comments is just like the article explaines. With the weak exceptions I've stated, I'm just totally in sync with what has been said in the article above.
If I want to read stupid comments I go to youtube, there is enough fighting for everyone of us who wishes to.
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arctoa Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student Photographer
Indeed; people are entitled to think that, but it's poor form to actually come out and say it. As you point out, it's insulting.

Heh; that's a particularly utopic view of Daily Deviation allocation, and one that I don't think would work out due to the vast number of accounts on this site, and the large number of those that are not here for artistic purposes. However, I think you do bring up an interesting concept; maybe more could be made of the 'random deviant' feature that dA has, for example.

I'm glad you agree with the bulk of my statement, and I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. Many thanks.
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rontufox Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
If it's a chance that is given to be seen, then everyone should get 1 DD *before anyone* gets their second DD.
Oh wow... this is an incredibly interesting point you bring up. I'd be interested in knowing the answer to that question as well.
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arctoa Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student Photographer
I'll copy-paste the relevant part of my reply to them for your convenience:

"Heh; that's a particularly utopic view of Daily Deviation allocation, and one that I don't think would work out due to the vast number of accounts on this site, and the large number of those that are not here for artistic purposes. However, I think you do bring up an interesting concept; maybe more could be made of the 'random deviant' feature that dA has, for example."

In photography at least, those with a larger number of Daily Deviations to their name have them because their work has been consistently amongst the best in their chosen genre for an extended period of time: many of these people have been around for more than five years, and some for a decade. dA has a system in place that does almost negate any sense of favouritism that could be taken advantage of: an artist cannot be featured again for at least six months after a Daily Deviation, and the tenure of a CV is only twelve months.

Someone else here brought up an interesting point about deviantART promoting more collaborative projects; I feel more of this sort of feature-interaction might draw some of the harsh spotlight glare away from Daily Deviations as it would give artists other ways to potentially expose their work, through official dA channels, to a side-wide audience. It's an idea I like, and it's one that I presume wouldn't be particularly difficult to implement.

An even simpler solution would be for dA to run site-wide contests more regularly, but as it's a competition rather than a collaboration it would probably just create its own core of drama rather than relieve any from Daily Deviation features, heh.
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rontufox Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012
Good point, I didn't consider the accounts made just for favoriting art, not to mention all the plz accounts. I also forgot about the six month waiting period.

The collaborative projects sound interesting, but first of all I wish dA would create a system for collaboration. As it is, if artists want to submit the end result on a collaboration, they must submit it separately while only one version can be submitted to groups. It's very cumbersome because favs and comments are received separately, so if you want to see all the feedback of this one piece, you must look at each submission. I know that's a thing that's been suggested over and over, and I'm not sure the site can conceive of such a thing.
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arctoa Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Student Photographer
As someone who has taken part in a collaboration or two in the past, I can relate to the point you make. The whole submission process on dA is a little cumbersome and outdated compared to other sites out there; it's definitely something that I hope is high on the list of the developer's short-list of aspects to improve upon.
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rontufox Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012
We can hope. I've seen it suggested so many times but never seen dA acknowledge it in their articles.
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Beavisjr Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
I really didn't read all of this but pure blank:
Today had a crap devation. some thing ANY ONE could of done was a DD and really just made me ask my self waht the fuck. Next thing I know I noticed many people agreed and due to dA for the what 67th time this year? I do not want to draw any more when I am trying to draw many things, gift things but nope here's dA fucking trolling me where a 'wall-cut out' was so fucking big and inspiring for a DD where some one like me spends a good 2-3 days TRYING TO DRAW A FUCKING HEAD but our work goes unnoticed. Very, very good job for lowering my self esteem. dA your job of 'inspire people to do art' is very working indeed. So sorry for sharing my art to get shit on with some of the most lousiest DDs some times, really. I thought dA had some low DDs, wait excuse me today set the place, IT HAD THE WORSE taste today.
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JakezDaniel Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012   Photographer
I can understand your frustration, one take a shot, it is blurred and so on and manage to make something that many enjoy when one other draw for hours technically perfect stuff (something like this for example: [link]) which get unnoticed.

But what is the point of art?
To use perfectly tools, technical skills... or the vision and the expression of the vision to others?
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Beavisjr Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
There was no vision in that DD. It didn't fit any thing. It had nothing to do with skill, ask any on e i know and i could of easily do that wall cut out and get a DD, but nope. The point of art was expression, ideas, detail, ect. A wall cut out of just red and white wasn't any of that.
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JakezDaniel Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012   Photographer
Maybe you didn't got the vision.
I did and could put this on my wall. In my armchair, I would get lost in it when I need to let my mind to fly away...
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Beavisjr Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
I couldn't. it just seemed very bad.
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JakezDaniel Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012   Photographer
It may seemed very bad because you are not used to this kind of beauty.
One reason why there's a special volunteer for surreal and abstract photography is for showing this kind of beauty, out of the rules.
But maybe you simply didn't like and of course, this is your right :)
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Beavisjr Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
"It may seemed very bad because you are not used to this kind of beauty."
I been in a house evolving abstract and surreal. This is nothing.
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JakezDaniel Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012   Photographer
What is nothing?
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limnides Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012   Artist
Perhaps you should have read this.
^arctoa is the CV for abstract and surreal photography. Comparing an abstract image to your struggles with anatomy isn't something you should be doing. They're not the same thing. The piece he featured yesterday may not be to your taste, but for those of us who like abstract geometric photography, it was a delight to see.

Look to the galleries that pertain to you to draw inspiration from. Don't get disheartened over an area you have no interest in.
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Beavisjr Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
No the point is:A piece of a + paper on a red construction paper with nothing no meaning at all got a DD, where when some one (like me) puts alot of work just to get one thing done and right for a meaning is told fuck you. I'm sorry, there is nothing creative in this, this has no vision, nothing. So this person having little to no effort into this piece getting a DD is very fucking fucked up.
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limnides Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012   Artist
It isn't construction paper, though. It's a series of geometric abstractions of buildings in, I believe, Berlin. He's clearly thought this through and put effort into it -- scouting places out, composing the photographs, shooting, and post-processing. Just because you don't find this series creative doesn't mean that it isn't, as I said earlier -- it's a form of abstract photography. but to say that he hasn't put any effort into it, or that it has no vision, isn't fair.

You really can't compare what you do with what he does, they're two entirely different beasts. Getting upset and worked up over it isn't going to help, either. Do what you do, find inspiration in your field, and practise, practise, practise. Turn how you feel about this into fuel to spark something in your own work instead of lamenting over how unfair it is.
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Beavisjr Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
So effort and no effort are different things. Nice to know.
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SabertoothChikn Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I didn't really look at the DD's today so I'm not really sure...In my opinion if someone made a peice and they think it's great then it is art to them and all others who find joy in it. But I honestly have to agree...Some people who can make awesome art draw a stick figure or just a blob and it seems to be a DD....Mean while in all the minutes it has taken them to draw their whole picture I am finlly taking a picture of the presketch I drew so I can go back and draw it again. And then hopefully hours or maybe even days later it's finished. I kind of agree with your arguement.
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Beavisjr Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
Yes. I am sick of being told to work harder when I try my best where a very little effort simple easy as hell 'picture' of paper got a DD. Yes very very good way for my spirits to be ruined.
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SabertoothChikn Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmm it seems a lot of people are. I think it would be a good effort to start a group and have several others form as a mini council and get evryone to vote on what they think should be a DD. And since it is only a DD (one day...right?) There will always be a chance for others. Although I would guess starting a group on DA would be hard as is. Even still, I would say "just keep swimming" Thats how I look at life. If I get a DD, wow, awesome, great. If not I will still be here doing what I do for people who enjoy it no matter what :D.
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Beavisjr Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
I can't really do that. I fi put my opinion on any thing I'm apparently a fuckass.
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SabertoothChikn Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well using language like that doesnt really help the situation. I don't think people mind opinions as long as it doesnt contain bashing, or vulgar language. If those arent included I don't think people would mind some constructive criticism.
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JakezDaniel Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012   Photographer
As I wrote uphere:

But what is the point of art?
To use perfectly tools, technical skills, lots of hours into a work... or the vision and the expression of the vision to others?
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SabertoothChikn Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I think art is wanderful. It's a chance to express a world that maybe only you can see, so that hopefully others can experience it as well. When I draw something I try to use the attitude and vibe that goes with it, so that way maybe others can experience and enjoy what I felt while making it. Art could also be a release for others, like how it is for me. Sometimes I can get lost in a picture, Another world and just never want to leave but have to. But the good thing is when I am finished what ever needs to be done I can get lost in the creative imagination of other arts or maybe my own. I think that everyone has a beautiful picture in their mind and the tools are the friends that help us make it. I find an incredible joy when I make something, and it doesnt bother me not to have it seen by others, or as a Daily Deviation. The fact that I made something that is beautiful to me and hopefully to others is enough.
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JakezDaniel Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012   Photographer
I understand :)
I didn't mean that creation isn't important, but that the point of art isn't the work itself but the result: the vision given to the others.
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SabertoothChikn Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh ok :iconsweatplz: I thought that...yeah lol sorry....Is your icon blinking? I swear everytime I look away it does something :iconnotsureifplz:.
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JakezDaniel Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012   Photographer
No problem :D
My icon? :confused:
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SabertoothChikn Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Your little picture thing beside of (IT DID IT AGAIN :icondramaticprariedogplz:?!?!)....your name it keeps doing something lol X3.
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arctoa Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student Photographer
It is difficult to compare different genres of art. I am the CV for abstract and surreal photography, so that is what I feature. I understand that it's a relatively small audience, but I cater to it and it's the responsibility of those who do not appreciate the genre to understand that this site is here, and for, artists of many genres. dA would be a much poorer place if it catered entirely to one or two styles of art.
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SabertoothChikn Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
That it would be, It wouldnt be considered art. It would be repetative and boring as well as sad to see such little differences. I am not downing people who get DD's I think it is great for them :D, but sometimes I see these people who do beautiful things and pictures that look like they deserve a DD and they don't get one. I am actually really happy with how DevianArt is, I was only agreeing that sometimes people put in hard work and it's sad not to see it recognized. It was like seeing that picture as a DD, some man took coffee and poured it all over this womans butt, took a picture (although I think it's disgusting) and got a DD, Mean while this one little artist does a masterpiece, and barely has any views. I don't really want a DD, I'm just saying it might seem like gold to others who could really use it right now.
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arctoa Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student Photographer
My best recommendation is that when you see great work that is under-appreciated, you send it in to the relevant CV as a DD Suggestion! Even if it doesn't get featured as a DD, it's highly likely that the work in question will get more attention just by the CV looking at it. Personally, I always look at the gallery of anyone that's suggested to me, and I comment where I feel I can; and sometimes these pieces end up in weekly journal features or get invites to be added to group galleries.
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SabertoothChikn Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I didn't know that you could suggest art...I'm still new here to DA. I'd still be glad if they just got more attention ^^. What is a CV if you don't mind me asking?

And thank you. Now that I know that you can suggest, hopefully people will be more happy just getting suggested at all let alone a lot more views. Not to mention journal entires.I just learned about journal entries featuring people...Last night? or maybe the night before.
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arctoa Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student Photographer
Yep. Most of the Daily Deviations that are featured are actually chosen by the community, as they are suggested to a CV in the first place. It isn't a closed loop of selection by any means, which does create a large slice of irony when the same community then lashes out against a selection. ;]

I'm a CV! It stands for Community Volunteer; we're the people who tend to the various galleries, forums and chats here on deviantART.

If you're interested in suggesting pieces to anyone in future but you're not sure how to go about doing it, just let me know and I'll go through the process with you.
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SabertoothChikn Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Huh...That is ironic ._. I mean it doesnt really make sense to suggest or vote for something and then lash out when yours doesnt get picked...especially after voting for someone elses :/

And that is really cool :o And ok :D if I find someones are that I think should be suggested....wait a minute...can you just click their url and paste it and say I would like to suggest this.. Because I saw someone do that earlier :iconfacepalmplz:....I am such a :dummy:

Also thank you ^^
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rontufox Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
This is sort of what I love about art. How when the perception of what is considered art is turned on its head, there are those that cry "not art!" and those that cry "art!" and each party has both valid and invalid points as they argue with one another, and art reaches some of its more abstract heights.

That aside, I agree with your sentiment about the DD. I don't think much of it. I'm really enjoying some of the discussion happening on that page as a result of the DD though!
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